Post by Dave Thatcher on Jan 23, 2013 12:59:18 GMT
LANWU ANCIENT ART Website: WWW.LWARMOR.COM Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Ebay Store: stores.ebay.co.uk/World-Armor-baiguixiu?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Okay, I would never tell anyone to buy a thing from china unless it's from here. Baiguixu are REAL and can be trusted. I have purchased a few items from them, and its all as described. Watch the shipping costs on smaller items, as its expensive to ship out of china.
Lot of fakes in this shop !!! you must see with triple eyes if you want buy items in this webshop : I bought a very nice fake Gogake (impossible to see on photos )with old leather and bad condition....etc So very good and professional fake.Good job ...welldone ...nothing to say ....my money directly to the garbage .
Hi all katchu lovers. Im Joseba and I work as conservator. Since a time Im reading almost everyday this forum and I would like to say that I have learnt a lot with all of you, all you guys you do a very good job. Two years ago I collected my first kabuto and menpo and now Im hunting a gusoku. Im not interested in these armors because they dont give me the good feeling and for that reason I would like to share my impressions about this seller. Not all you have had good experiences.
Here we have two different kabuto that its supposed to be both from middle edo and they were used by different persons. But the kabutos have the same shikoro, that could be normal. However, if we look inside the kabuto, the damages of the fabric are totally the same. How is the probability of two kabuto to have the same shikoro and silk damages and be sold by the same seller that comes from china? Is it a real coincidence or could they be fakes? I don't wish to make any judgment
Jo, No they are not the same shikoro - having a bottom plate with textured lacquer is a fairly standard feature of Kaga work. The reason why the lining is similar is that the first example is totally fake, the second has been pulled out to look for a signature on the helmet bowl. Ian B
when i was referring to the same shikoro it was because they have a bottom plate textured lacker. I see the lining in the first example that its new and slightly used but in which points you pay attention to say that 1 kabuto is totally fake? the mons on the plate? the yellow color from the back of the plates?
2 kabuto I couldnt imagine that the lining would be pulled out to look for a mei...
Both kabuto are original. The tataki nuri effect is widely used, so there's nothing to be suspicious about. The mons look like they have been added, but that could have been for export reasons back in the Meiji era. Hard to tell without an inspection in person. As to the ukibari it's rarer to find one un damaged. The chirimen becomes weak after 50yrs which rips when the helmet is displayed or held from underneath, also people will rip them apart to view a mei. The shikoro has to be removed in order to take out the ukibari, so some people will just poke their finger through the material. Sad, but very common.
Recently I have bought a sogonari kabuto from Baiguixiu, the Chinese dealer. The only reason that I have purchased from him it is because he is a trustworthy dealer and it has been recommended in this forum even not everybody was satisfied. And this happens to me too, for that reason I would like to share with you all some thoughts and doubts I have with this kabuto.
When I bought the sogonari I didn't have close photos to look it carefully but now it isn't what I was expected. Baiguixiu is giving me a discount or the possibility to give the kabuto back to him. First I should say that I like it but it is so touched and that makes me think if it would be a good forgery.
Inside the kabuto everything is overpainted. The red color is not lacquer but paint and there are wrinkles; wrinkles are very common damage of modern paints. Under the red color doesn't look there is another red but black or dark color.
Inside the shikoro is also overpainted.
In the front of the kabuto, the color has many layers, at least 4. I don't know which of them it would be the original. At the same time as behind, there are wrinkles in the painting but also there are common cracks of lacquer.
The fukigaeshi have all overpaintings even with paint drops. The hair was also overpainted
The menpo doesn't belong to the kabuto but I knew before, it isn't a problem because they look like matched. The point is that the menpo looks like artificially aged and there is dust/grey powder that has been brushed. The patina in the teeth is a little strange. The chin sheet with the hole doesn't match the other sheet of the mask and the sheets are overlayed.
I don't know what to think about this set if it is a good forgery that has been well aged or if it is an original but so touched or bad restored for being sold. What do you think about?
Post by Dave Thatcher on Jan 14, 2015 16:37:12 GMT
What you have there is a very badly restored menpo and kabuto.However its 100% real. Those wrinkles occur with urushi when it's applied too thickly. The inside of the mabezashi looks normal with wrinkles. But the outside is a mess. The hair looks fine, its stuck on with kokuso. Replacement byo on the shikoro, the odoshi looks to be breaking at the edges of the lames ad will need to be replaced at some point. The menpo has a new tash, and its not been concealed at the rear hence the broken area.
As a restorer and dealer I work on everything that I list to ensure its suitable for home display. If I was just a dealer I would have to pay someone to restore for me and good restoration takes time and is expensive. So commercially dealers like these guys take short cuts hence the results.
If you are unhappy with a purchase then return it and buy something else, or have it restored by a professional.
Sometime I think I lose my time to try to explain studies about kabutos.I lose my time to try to explain quality . It's not a nice reflexion from myself I know because One day before I was a young collector too. But when you are a young collector you must open your eyes and don't buy just about a price on internet. I don't know what is the price about this head but you must spend lot of money to have a restaured kabuto in the end . For my only opinion I am not sure 100% hair are good and moustach of mempo is new . all parts are in very bad state and for finish I am not a friend of this shop because too much fakes made in china . No, No I don't want change my opinion Sorry because this shop is only for collectors with very good experience.If you see the boar furs in my avatar ... you could understand what is one of my next restauration .... and you could be very surprise to understand that is impossible to see new Hair on kabuto if you know how to do a good work; (not like this)
The best you have to do is to take your money back.... and I hope You could understand I am so sory for you and it's why I don't keep for me this own reflexion.
I knew the condition it wasn't good but I couldn't see the way it is. Im a professional restorer but not of armors so Im thinking to restore it by myself. I think doing some cross-sections could help to identify the layers and know the compositions. The problem for me is where to stop the cleaning and know how the solvents would affect the underlayers. Removing the overpaintings probably will affect the brillance of the lacquer and there is a big chance even restoring it to not get a good result. Im still thinking what to do
Thanks for sharing your experience Jo. As for me, things that have been altered in such a way just don't deserve to be put on display.
From my experience there's always a big risk if the seller doesn't provide large photographs. If there's a similar case in the future you might want to ask for bigger pictures. If the seller doesn't want to provide them you better run. The chance of being lucky is just too small.
So if I was you I would return this set and spend the money for something else.
Finally I took the decission of give him back the helmet. I have already sent it to him and Im waiting to receive my money back. At the end this set has a lot of work to do to be more nicely and even that there is a high probablility to not be satisfied. But the keep point for me is that I couldnt guarantee its origin... so the best what I could do is bring it back...
Thank you guys for all your feedbacks!!
ps. and aymeric how is your restoration project with boar hair? It sounds interesting