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Post by ian on Feb 16, 2017 9:48:54 GMT
Referring to the question of 'skill'. Yes a suji bachi will be a lot of work to make but perhaps with less skill than you might think, especially for a 32 plate hachi. You carve a block of wood to the shape you want and draw lines where you want each suji to run and horizontally where you want the rivets to go. You then have a pattern for each plate which you cut out and fit - drilling the holes and nailing each plate to the block. When you have all the plates done you take them off the block and rivet them, after making a paper pattern of each plate. Because each plate is small it can be made out of small pieces of iron and each plate does not need much shaping except bending and twisting. The next one you make you just use the paper patterns. A zunari takes a lot of skilled hammering to get the plates to the right shape, especially the brow plate and peak if it is one piece. It also needs large pieces of iron. Again, paper patterns of each plate would simplify the job by giving you the shape to cut out, but not the shape after hammering.
Luc, could it be that the suji on your helmet were filed down later to make the beautiful tehen kanamono more prominent?
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Post by Luc t on Feb 16, 2017 12:46:28 GMT
Ian, the suji are original. I saw several other Nobuie like this.
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Post by John Wee Tom on Feb 16, 2017 13:26:19 GMT
That looks like a beautiful kabuto, Luc! |
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Post by pascal on Mar 7, 2017 8:28:16 GMT
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Post by Anthony on Mar 7, 2017 10:01:16 GMT
Hi!
I saw that one Pascal, have the mabesashi angle and the shiten no buyo lenght.
Strange shikoro and fukigaeshi mounted direct on the koshimaki. Sinature on the mabesashi odd.
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Post by Dave Thatcher on Mar 7, 2017 10:11:39 GMT
Hi! I saw that one Pascal, have the mabesashi angle and the shiten no buyo lenght. Strange shikoro and fukigaeshi mounted direct on the koshimaki. Sinature on the mabesashi odd. Anthony As Ian said, its nearly impossible to sign the inside of the hachi. These mei under the mabezashi need to be treated with some level of caution. Note how the shu urushi in one area is pitted with rust, yet in other areas its smooth. The sabi-nuri has been played with. One thing we know about maberzashi is that they were changed from time to time for fashion, why would a smith sign the post disposable part of the hachi? I know that this statement will panic the yoshimitchi purists, however my opinion is simply objective over acquisition lust. |
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Post by Bartek on Mar 7, 2017 12:47:32 GMT
I think there is nothing better than pieces of armour with real signature and preferably date, especially the ones created by great masters. They make reference base. It is pity that katchushi started doing that with their own names so late.
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Post by Dave Thatcher on Mar 7, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
I think there is nothing better than pieces of armour with real signature and preferably date, especially the ones created by great masters. They make reference base. It is pity that katchushi started doing that with their own names so late. This is probably because during sengoku they were not considered to be masters of any art form, they made armour as defensive protection. Only when the wars finished and the skirmishes were virtually nil did it become a fashion item to reflect wealth. Hence the commercial introduction of branding. Ted Baker, and Hugo Boss. |
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Post by Luc t on Mar 7, 2017 21:04:02 GMT
Nice, but at first glance not made by the grandmaster. Are there pictures from the inside?
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Post by Masanobu on Mar 7, 2017 21:57:02 GMT
Hi! I saw that one Pascal, have the mabesashi angle and the shiten no buyo lenght. Strange shikoro and fukigaeshi mounted direct on the koshimaki. Sinature on the mabesashi odd. Anthony As Ian said, its nearly impossible to sign the inside of the hachi. These mei under the mabezashi need to be treated with some level of caution. Note how the shu urushi in one area is pitted with rust, yet in other areas its smooth. The sabi-nuri has been played with. One thing we know about maberzashi is that they were changed from time to time for fashion, why would a smith sign the post disposable part of the hachi? I know that this statement will panic the yoshimitchi purists, however my opinion is simply objective over acquisition lust. I would not make any definitive statement about the position of the signature. The helmet I showed previously is signed in the Mabizashi and perfectly genuine. I have another Haruta End Muromachi, Early Momoyama helmet signed on the outide of the bowl, also perfectly genuine. I would say for old helmets there is no rule. As for the one on Yahoo, the similarities with my 62 plates are interesting and puzzling.
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Post by Dave Thatcher on Mar 7, 2017 22:07:12 GMT
I didnt make a difinative statement. Rule number one always applies.
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Post by Luc t on Mar 8, 2017 6:43:26 GMT
Apart from the inside, the shape of the shiten no byo is wrong.
But: very close... does someone have pictures from the inside?
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Post by John Wee Tom on Mar 8, 2017 13:19:23 GMT
The koshimaki is very strange, especially at the front under the mabezashi.
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Post by Masanobu on Mar 8, 2017 13:32:24 GMT
The koshimaki is very strange, especially at the front under the mabezashi. Could have been replaced. The minimum that we can say is that even if from the Yoshimichi Atelier, it is not Ubu.
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Post by John Wee Tom on Mar 8, 2017 13:37:33 GMT
Good deal for whomever bought it.
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Post by Masanobu on Mar 8, 2017 13:42:16 GMT
I just woke up did not expect to finish so early. At that price indeed, a good deal for the buyer!!!
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Post by Luc t on Mar 8, 2017 18:45:07 GMT
Knowledge is money... this guy dit a bargain!
You see, A Gitsu for the price of a zunari.
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