Eric, The harate you show is definitely hatomune. Should we not regard the term not as a type of dou but a feature found on dou of one type or another?
Ian, that is what I think the term "hatomune" should be used as, to describe a feature not an entire type with nanban being used to describe armors made directly from European curaiss or replica European curiass.
Ok here is my description. San-mai hara-ate tatehagi hatomune dangae dou. Three plate two hinge, open back, vertical plate, central ridge, two styles (dangae commonly referrers to lacing but can describe any armor with two different styles of plates as well). San-mai is one of the rarest types with only a couple of images available, does anyone have pictures of any other?
"Frederic, as I said, its a grey area and it is up to you to decided whether you think a dou is a yukinoshita dou or not. Just remember they were made for different customers by different smiths, all of whom had their own ideas. Ian B
Ian, I totally agree with you. Opinions may differ from a person to another. But what is interesting in this exercise is to try to narrow the grey area and this is why this subject is so attractive. To achieve this, basic questions must be asked such as,
why do we have two different names for same or similar sets ? are Yukinoshita all Sendai where Sendai sets are not necessarily Yukinoshita? is this statement true? what is a yukinoshita? should we limit this name to armors produced by this school of smiths only? should we limit this name to the sets produced during a period (Momoyama, early Edo)? what are the features common to both styles? what are the commonly accepted variation in a Yukinoshita set before it falls into a sendai category (where we try to narrow the grey area)? are all those questions stupid ?
I will try to elaborate something to start with, maybe in a new thread, unless the answer to the last question is yes.
You are all free to add questions that I have not thought about
Post by Frederic Lecomte on Jul 15, 2013 9:40:39 GMT
The development will need illustrations for sure. Where a pure example of yukinoshita should not be difficult to find (please refer to Ian's post about this) a pure example of a Sendai is the complicated question to resolve and I am afraid that the answer may not exist.