Well, my knowledge of the Saotome is well established But I def don't see the Saotome beauty and workmanship in this one. With Luc out killing small animals in the countryside I guess the rest of the Saotomists on this board can get going on this one
Is anyone else not impressed with this kabuto, I am sorry but you should buy what you like and not for the name. Plus why show it with that maedate, for the huge asking price I would like to see just the kabuto.
SIGNED AND DATED SAOTOME SUJI KABUTO
This is something outstanding and extremely rare. It is a kabuto from the Muromachi Era that is signed and dated by its maker. The helmet is signed Saotome Iyetada. It is dated Tensho 18 Kanoe Tora Nen (1590). Iyetada was from Hitachi and worked in the late Muromachi and early Edo period. He is rated as a Jo Jo 1 quality armor maker. In other words, one of the best.
This is a suji kabuto (ridged helmet) comprised of 18 iron plates. The mabezashi (visor) is leather covered with the three large rivets delicately carved with a floral design. The teihen is comprised of five tiers made of iron, copper, and shakudo. The shikoro consists of three lames that are also leather covered with the top lame returning in very large fukigaeshi that are partialy covered with doe skin that has been dyed and stiched. The shikoro is kebeki laced with multicolored ito. The overall shape fo the shikoro is that of a helmet of the Nanbokucho Era of the 14th century. The maedate is something to behold. It is an Oni (devil) carved out of wood with golden eyes and a vicious appearance. It sports large ears that look like rabbit ears that are covered with bear's fur. It has long flowing horse hair completing its ferocious appearance.
The helmet lining is intact as is the cord to secure it to the wearer. If you are looking for a truly top of the line helmet in outstanding condition that was made by a highly ranked armor maker and is extra rare because it is dated, don't miss out on this gem.
I am sorry but you should buy what you like and not for the name. Plus why show it with that maedate, for the huge asking price I would like to see just the kabuto.
SIGNED AND DATED SAOTOME SUJI KABUTO
This is something outstanding and extremely rare. It is a kabuto from the Muromachi Era that is signed and dated by its maker. The helmet is signed Saotome Iyetada. It is dated Tensho 18 Kanoe Tora Nen (1590).
First of all, never buy something you don't like, or let something pass you really like because it is signed or not. But the description is really crap: 1590= muromachi??? Ietada started working after Sekikahara! The seller use the mei to justify a high price. I think this kabuto is made mid Edo. Uwe, Frederic, I hunt for boar or deer, rabbits are too small for me ;-)
Iehisa (家久) Saotome Iehisa (早乙女家久), Momoyama to early Edo period, lived in Hitachi province. According to the genealogy in the „Kokon-kaji-mei hayamidashi“, he succeeded the 8th Saotome generation Ienaga (家長) to become the 9th generation. He worked basically in the Saotome style but we know two different kinds of signatures, so it is assumed that there were two or even three generations Iehisa active. It has to be mentioned that the Saotome genealogy adds, from case to case, some generations among the early craftsmen to achieve an unbroken chronological succession. Some transmissions say that Iehisa was a student of the 19th Myôchin-generation Muneie (宗家) and that he changed his name later to „Iemitsu“ (家光). And the „Katchû-kô zufu“ from the first year of Hôreki (宝暦, 1751) mentions for example: „Iemitsu, changed [his name later] to Iehisa.“ The Myôchin genealogy says that he was as mentioned a student of Muneie and that his was active from around Tenshô (天正, 1573-1592) to Genna (元和, 1615-1624) but this is doubtful. Also doubtful is the listing in the Saotome genealogy as the 9th generation. Signed works of Iehisa are not that rare and quite a few 62-pate suji-kabuto and koboshi-kabuto are extant which show the characteristics of the earlier Saotome school. Usually we see seven rivets per row on the inside of the helmet bowl and he used 25 rivets per row in the case of koboshi kabuto. This is a larger number of visible rivets than found on later Saotome works. The hibiki no ana is generally at a high position but in some rare cases he installed them at medium height. In the case of 62 plates, the hibiki no ana and shiten no byô are installed on the eighth plate, not counting the central front and rear plates. The upper end of the haraidate-dai is notched in the form of a saw-tooth and the two holes for attaching the tatemono are opened in a horizontal manner. When there a tsunomoto is present it is attached to the upper edge of the koshimaki. He signed the character for „Sa“ (早) either in block or in grass script and as we also know of a considerable number of variants of the character for „Ie“, it is assumed that there were at least two generations Iehisa active.
Iehisa (家久) Saotome Iehisa (早乙女家久), Momoyama al primo periodo Edo, viveva in provincia di Hitachi. Secondo la genealogia nel "Kokon-Kaji-mei hayamidashi", riuscì alla 8a generazione Saotome Ienaga (家长) per diventare la 9a generazione. Ha lavorato sostanzialmente in stile Saotome, ma sappiamo due diversi tipi di firme, per cui si presume che ci fossero due o anche tre generazioni Iehisa attiva. Va ricordato che la genealogia Saotome aggiunge, da caso a caso, alcune generazioni tra i primi artigiani per realizzare una successione cronologica ininterrotta. Alcune trasmissioni dicono che Iehisa era uno studente del 19 Myochin generazione Muneie (宗家) e che cambiato il suo nome in seguito a "Iemitsu" (家光). E il "katchu-Ko zufu" dal primo anno di Hôreki (宝暦, 1751) cita ad esempio: "Iemitsu, cambiato [il suo nome in seguito] per Iehisa." La genealogia Myochin dice che era come detto uno studente di Muneie e che la sua era attivo da circa Tenshô (天正, 1573-1592) a Genna (元和, 1615-1624), ma questo è dubbia. Anche dubbio è l'elenco nella genealogia Saotome come 9a generazione. opere firmate di Iehisa non sono così rari e un bel po '62-pate suji-Kabuto e Koboshi-kabuto sono esistenti che mostrano le caratteristiche della scuola Saotome precedente. Di solito vediamo sette rivetti per fila sulla parte interna della ciotola casco e ha usato 25 rivetti per fila in caso di kabuto Koboshi. Si tratta di un numero maggiore di rivetti a vista che trovate sul tardi Saotome funziona. Il Hibiki non ana è generalmente in una posizione elevata, ma in alcuni rari casi li ha installato ad altezza media. Nel caso dei 62 piatti, il Hibiki non ana e Shiten non BYO sono installati l'ottavo piatto, senza contare la parte anteriore centrale e le piastre posteriori. L'estremità superiore del haraidate-Dai è dentellato nella forma di un dente di sega e due fori per il fissaggio del Tatemono vengono aperti in modo orizzontale. Quando è presente una tsunomoto è attaccata al bordo superiore del koshimaki. Ha firmato il carattere per "Sa" (早) sia in blocco o scritto in erba e come sappiamo anche di un considerevole numero di varianti del carattere per "Ie", si presume che ci fossero almeno due generazioni Iehisa attivi. Sasama: Shin Katchushi Meikan
Ignore Sasama' genealogy of the Saotome, it's a Myochin forgery. The first Saotome (Ietada) started working after Sekikahara. There is no link with the Myochin. Anyway, this is a very nice and typical Iehisa. Klaus, do you have pictures of the mei?
hello, here is the signature of the Saotome - Iyehisa - helmet from my collection. My documents and comparisons with other signatures say me that mine 62-Ken kabuto was worked from the 1st generation. Please, also compare: K.Chappelear "Japanese Armor Makers...": Again my suggestion to the adjusting of her treasures, Saotome or others!
Klaus, it is clearly the work of the first Iehisa. Working dates somewhere in the 17th century, not momoyama nor muromachi. Chappelear based these working dates on the studies of Sasama, who used a bogus genealogy.
hello klaus Is this kabuto is signed only "Saotome Iehisa"? Do you have find severals holes in koshimaki for chikoro, or Japanese put only new leather on Mabisachi and keep the original shikoro and mabisachi? could we see a photo of jonction part mabisachi /koshimaki please Do you see the back parts of stars rivets inside mabisachi?